Comments on: June weekend, plus a bit of a rant https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/ Writer, Author, Speaker Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:08:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Laura Vanderkam https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-513370 Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:08:43 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-513370 In reply to LauraK.

@LauraK – I’m sure we all have low moments. The trouble is with thinking those low moments must define the narrative. In many cases there are other solutions. So, for instance, you mentioned not having enough childcare — it’s possible to ramp that up! Of course, then we deal with the other narratives I hear all the time, like that childcare is bad so it’s ergo a virtue to use as little as possible, even if it makes everyone insane as a result. Anyway… yep, I hate the “I could never…” phrase too – it’s usually meant to be judgmental…

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By: LauraK https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-513360 Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:10:31 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-513360 Hi! This was a good post. I appreciate all of the comments. I agree with everything.
It makes me think of this time, though, when I was at the very beginning of the second leg of my career and my husband was working out of the home and my son was little and I didn’t have enough child care and because my job was “flexible,” I was the one doing the childcare, and there was this moment where I really thought I couldn’t do it. I think many people hit a wall in their lives that make them wonder if they can handle something – in STEM education, we see this in young women and then they sometimes switch majors. I have a disposition that makes me lean into seemingly impossible things, but not everyone is like that (and it’s not necessarily a great way to be), and these narratives I think can do a lot of harm, the “There’s no way we could.” It makes it so that people interpret these hard times as proof that something is impossible. Instead of looking for a solution. Because there is a solution for most things. Though, it can be really hard to give yourself space to find the solution when it feels as though it’s all too much. It’s okay to say “we don’t want to,” or “we’d rather not.” That’s different from “there’s no way we could.”

Also, it just feels like there’s this ick factor, too. “There’s no way we could,” – it feels like a back-handed compliment, like “you’re so good at it.” I think there’s a term, like weaponized incompetence or something? I also hate the phrase, “I could never.” It seems like it’s about the person speaking, but it’s usually said in a way to judge other people. As in, “I could never leave my kids at a day care.” Honestly, people don’t know what they “could never” do until they have to.

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By: Maya https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-511157 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 16:17:08 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-511157 I’m not sure if this will come out right, but: he’s right – he couldn’t do it. Many like him are just not… capable. They lean on this system geared to support them in their deficiencies. Whether communication, high levels of resilience and executive function, planning, empathy, quick thinking, or the will to make the necessary choices – they do not have what it takes. Well… we can do it, its good for all, and that must be very unnerving for those who espouse this stuff. It might seem more complex on any given day or week – easier to judge from the outside if one is seeking to – but over the long term it is simply brilliant.

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By: Mushky https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-510792 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 18:26:31 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-510792 In reply to Laura Vanderkam.

BSD
From the little I have seen of Tim Carney and his work, he comes across as a person with solid ideas and insights. I also am not the type to see misogyny in everything. But I am very sympathetic to those who conclude that this is essentially misogyny. The distaste for women working often goes hand in hand with some of the other issues mentioned, such as relationship balance or imbalances. It harms women and the potential harm to children is high, as well. This whole thing is depressing.
I write and express this as a woman who is very traditionalist in some domains, and I definitely don’t fit into any sort of feminist box, even though I had feminist leanings since being a child.

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By: CLM https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-510693 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 00:35:55 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-510693 In reply to CLM.

A full-time nanny is the gold standard.

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By: CLM https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-510611 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 14:48:18 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-510611 In reply to CLM.

Yes, although that may be your generalization about childcare for people that earn less money. Middle income earners may have different preferences (such as, I would work more if I didn’t have to coordinate an au pair, daycare, afterschool care, extended family help, etc).

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By: Jane https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-510601 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 14:20:56 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-510601 I’ve been mulling this over for a while – I wonder if you might discuss the power dynamics of adult relationships here. Based up on my (very informal) observations of stay-at-home mothers, there often seems to be a clear power imbalance (ie, women not wanting to make decisions about how to spend “his” money, hiding spending, or not asking their spouse for assistance on weekends or evenings because the husband “is tired from his job.”). Some of my friends who left the workforce in the past few years (due to having young kids during Covid years) openly admit that it is now harder to return to work because they don’t want to ask their spouses to do more household labor.

Obviously this is not always the case but, overall, I have concerns about women who lack financial independence because they are at risk in case something goes wrong (if the husband is suddenly ill or dies, they would face additional hardships and, of course, if the relationship is abusive, they might be more prone to stay). Curious to hear your thoughts.

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By: Roxanne https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-510507 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 01:18:01 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-510507 I wonder if you could forward the author an electronic copy of “I Know How She Does It” but change the narratives to be from men’s perspectives instead, as an example of just how involved high-earning parents can still be with their kids’ lives… (but I’m from MN where passive-agressiveness is a dialect, ha!)

I appreciate your stories about how you and your husband make life work with your crew- splitting duties and outings with different kids, leveraging other childcare options, and also making time for each other amidst your professional and parenting endeavors (it can be done!)

Please keep the balanced and accepting views of work and family coming!

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By: Laura Vanderkam https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-510442 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 17:33:12 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-510442 In reply to AM.

@AM – thank you for your kind comment! I’m not sure how they plan to fund retirement. Hopefully the income-earning partner is putting enough away for both of them. I do believe people can open spousal 401ks to get some tax benefits on retirement savings. And I would imagine that many people do wind up back in the workforce at some point when their kids are older – I’m not sure how many women never work for pay at all post kids. That said, I’m sure to some folks the idea of women being financially dependent on men is a plus, not a concern.

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By: AM https://lauravanderkam.com/2024/06/june-weekend-plus-a-bit-of-a-rant/#comment-510422 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 15:16:15 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19592#comment-510422 Laura- thank you for being a voice of reason and common/counter sense in this space. I worked part-time for years in (large?) part because many of my friends stayed home and I believed the prevalent narrative that more time with mom was better. I’m not sure I regret that choice exactly, but if there had been more voices like yours and Sarah’s at that time, I may well have made a different choice. Relatedly, now that I am on the other side (two grown kids), I wonder: how are stay at home parents planning to fund retirement?

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