Comments on: Best of Both Worlds podcast: Do you still need childcare? https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/ Writer, Author, Speaker Tue, 04 Apr 2023 01:38:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Laura Vanderkam https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-445077 Tue, 04 Apr 2023 01:38:48 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-445077 In reply to LK.

@LK – thanks for this comment. Very true that it is all about experimentation. We have gone through various iterations of everything to see what works. And yes, the community aspect of where you are buying a house is very important!

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By: LK https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-444431 Sat, 01 Apr 2023 11:34:46 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-444431 I think the most important thing is kind of treating everything like an experiment as you go. And when you reflect on it, not being so evaluative – this is good or this is bad – but what did we like about this and what were the pain points. More like a qualitative researcher than a quantitative researcher. No arrangement has to last forever. In the beginning, I tried babysitters, mothers helpers, and family, but babysitters flaked or they just weren’t providing good care – and my in-laws flaked, too. (Just did not show up. No call or anything.) I was breast feeding and writing my dissertation, so having in-home care worked, but the flaking did not work. I really believe in center based care because I think kids need friends. (I have an only child.) Also, I do not like managing people if I am not getting paid to manage them, but I do really like helping organizations get better at their work, so center based care fits me well – they don’t call out sick, and they come with a community of other kids and parents. Last year, our after school care was great. They staff played with the kids. It was so nice to have a full day, all the way until 6 pm (our pre school had only gone to 4 pm.) This year, it is the same organization, but different staff at a different site, and my son was watching other kids play screens all day. And I couldn’t convince them to change. I just didn’t think that was a good use of his time – I’d rather he play his own video games than watch another kid play video games. And he came home cranky from so much screen time. We are lucky where we live – there are 3 different after school center based options. I had him try another out for a day, and while he liked it, he didn’t want to always go because it was so structured. My husband and I are both able to work a little from home, so we decided to stop the after school care, but it does mean that we work a lot less than we would if he was in extra care. But I think I needed a little break from work anyway, and on days when I do pick up, I’m able to hang out with the other parents picking up their kids while they play for 20-30 minute outside the school. I’m newer to the community, so it is a way to make friends. Some days the logistics are tight, especially as my husband’s career picks up. This week, I had to take a meeting on the phone to make pick up, and he had to come to class with me and watch Netflix one day, and I wasn’t able to productively work from home all of those afternoons, but the boy seems happier. For this semester, it’s ok, and then in the summer we will figure something else out, and in the fall it might be something else, because he will change and our circumstances will change.

I think the big question that many parents are wrestling with is, especially post pandemic, if I can work from home some days, and the kid can semi-entertain themselves, do I need child care for those hours? I’d love to see more about that. For us, we have been experimenting, and it is possible. We do end up working less. (I am salaried and have worked way over 40 hours in the past, so I feel like it’s ok to pull back a bit for a little while; my husband is self-employed and hourly.) But right now, I’m kind of ok with working a bit less, which will change in future semesters when I have different classes or leadership roles. I wonder what others are finding.

So much of the decision has to do with geography, too, I think. Around here, for those of us with just 1 kid on the lower income brackets, nannies are really expensive. Around here, just a regular babysitter costs $20 an hour. But, in our town, we have 3 different options for center-based after school care. It’s very different from the town we lived in before, just 40 minutes away, which had wait lists for any kind of programming. Our town even provides very low cost or free summer options, with no income restrictions, in addition to the 3 other full-summer, full day (2 truly full day) non-profit high quality summer programs. I think this is something that people don’t think about when they look at where to live. They look at the house and tax rates, but not enough at the community. When we were initially looking, some people poo-pooed our town because the test scores aren’t high. But it’s a big enough school district that kids have lots of options – lots of music, sports, and lots of AP offerings at the high school. And the diverse, mixed income levels means that there is demand for center-based programs, whereas other towns that may be wealthier very close to us don’t have that kind of demand that results in real options. And at the end of the day, I can teach my kid calculus or how to read – I have enough education that I feel confident I can teach him anything in a high school textbook. But I can’t teach him how to make friends with folks who are different from him. I feel like that’s the real purpose of schools, helping kids learn how to work with and care about others, not coach them toward high SAT scores. I think when people are house shopping, thinking about the community in the school, and the quality of the different child care options, and how far away schools, playgrounds, libraries, and community centers are, and whether they are on route to workplaces, are all just as important, maybe more so, as whether a place has granite counter tops and walk in closets. And whether it is a community open newcomers and to play dates. We hung out at playgrounds in different towns for a bit before buying, which helped me see that folks from this town were friendly and willing to chat and welcome new folks. Our last town wasn’t, and I have friends who say similar things about other towns. I feel really lucky we landed here, in a diverse and welcoming place with so many people working to support families and make the town better.

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By: Laura Vanderkam https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-443043 Thu, 23 Mar 2023 02:37:45 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-443043 In reply to Alyce.

@Alyce – I’m so glad that you’re finding a good solution. And I’m really sorry that you had to deal with a suboptimal school situation!

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By: Jane https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-443019 Wed, 22 Mar 2023 21:02:32 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-443019 In reply to Laura Vanderkam.

Maggie, I tend to agree with Laura – my kids certainly do laundry and tidy (more or less), but there is more than enough cleaning to go around!

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By: Alyce https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-443012 Wed, 22 Mar 2023 20:25:45 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-443012 In reply to Maggie.

This was such a timely episode – we’re likely to have to hire a nanny who ideally handles some housekeeping on the side starting in June. With our daughter’s medical issues and intellectual disabilities, it’s impossible to find care. We’ve been struggling though a suboptimal child care situation since the fall because it was literally the only preschool that would accept my child. It’s been particularly hard on my husband who is the primary parent. It was worth it because we’ve always thought that the group setting was best for our daughter given her very outgoing personality, but now that she’s in a part time preschool for kids with disabilities, and soon kindergarten, she’ll still be able to get her socialization in.

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By: Hannah https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-442969 Wed, 22 Mar 2023 15:39:43 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-442969 We’ve found it incredibly difficult to find individual nannies who will reliably cover a FT working schedule. To make it work, we needed a portfolio of babysitters to cover for our FT caregiver if she was sick/needed to arrive late or leave early. When the kids were infants it felt better to have them at home, but once we left that stage, we decided to take other approaches.

Now we have a “full-stack” childcare system with redundancies to help avoid too much stress. Managing our redundancies takes a bit of work but isn’t overwhelming. My husband does the coordination work, but I’m the “coverage of last resort” when he can’t find someone. Feels pretty fair to us.

The kids have preschool/school and after care most of the time (day camps in the summer), we have a babysitter do pickup a couple of days each week so we can reliably work late if needed, and several babysitters who we can text to cover all those random days off of school or some of the unexpected snow days/sick days and of course, I WFH or take days off when everything else falls through.

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By: Laura Vanderkam https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-442941 Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:34:43 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-442941 In reply to Elizabeth.

@Elizabeth – so glad you figured out a good solution! It really does make life feel more calm to have a little more support.

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By: Laura Vanderkam https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-442939 Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:33:38 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-442939 In reply to Maggie.

@Maggie – driving is a big thing. But as for cleaning, in our house this is not an either/or thing. We pay for help with cleaning and we all wind up doing a lot of cleaning too. There is plenty of work to go around!

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By: Elizabeth https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-442920 Wed, 22 Mar 2023 11:59:36 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-442920 Great episode. I will be sharing around the office. We fell into the trap of thinking we needed less childcare 2 years ago when our kids entered elementary school, divying up drop off and pick up duty and utilizing both before and aftercare (7-5) so we could both be gone for 11 hrs (we both have long commutes). I wound up burnt out by May. The kids were exhausted every day when they got home.
This school year we found a wonderful housekeeper/nanny who picks the kids up from school several days and is often available for school holidays, and what a difference it has made for everyone. It’s also been nice to have weekends free for fun and not filled with laundry and tidying.

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By: Maggie https://lauravanderkam.com/2023/03/best-of-both-worlds-podcast-do-you-still-need-childcare/#comment-442875 Wed, 22 Mar 2023 08:24:33 +0000 https://lauravanderkam.com/?p=19060#comment-442875 In reply to Jane.

This is a good point I also thought about. I understand driving is almost essential in the U.S., but a 10yo can do laundry, and I would not see why a housekeeper should be paid to do that.

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