Comments on: The real problem with women and money https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/ Writer, Author, Speaker Sat, 24 Oct 2020 21:42:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Increasing Income - Women’s Money https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-169571 Sat, 24 Oct 2020 21:42:29 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-169571 […] From Laura Vanderkam: The real problem with women and money […]

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By: hush https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-23515 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:26:29 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-23515 In reply to TG.

I completely disagree that physicians have little reward for investing in their careers and have compensation rates set entirely by insurers. It all depends on the subspecialty and location – MDs outside of major cities and with equity ownership can do very well indeed, regardless of the insurance climate. Being an MD can actually be one of the most meritocratic fields out there, and I know very few docs who have to take work home with them: when their shift is over and the charts are done, they’re done.

Women MDs do get the shaft, however, when they don’t “lean in” to highly-compensated specialties and instead choose peds or family medicine thinking they’re most “flexible,” while marrying surgeons and failing to negotiate with their husbands for an equal division of household labor.

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By: Nadia https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-23514 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:27:02 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-23514 I just followed Laura’s link and realised that my observation had already been written about in one of the post’s linked to the Women’s Money Week website: http://womensmoneyweek.com/6-ways-to-increase-your-income-by-changing-your-mindset/

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By: Nadia https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-23513 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:21:44 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-23513 I think an important reason that women earn less money is linked to your observation about women being less likely to negotiate starting salaries: they are more likely to undervalue themselves, their abilities, and how much they are valued by other people. This isn’t to say that all women are like this and all men are not; rather, society has provided this narrative for women as a group for a long time and many women continue to believe it. From my own experience, I have observed that men are more likely than women to back themselves in a situation when it is uncertain that they will be successful. Given that getting a higher paying job usually means stretching your abilities beyond your current experience, I believe that this narrative has contributed to women earning less than men and will continue to do so unless women start telling themselves a different narrative. This isn’t to mean we should tell ourselves the same things that men do. But women really need to think about their own self worth and work on this if this is holding them back from getting the job (and earning the money) that they want.

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By: TG https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-23512 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 03:06:38 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-23512 In reply to Laura.

But what standard of living is OK for your children? Is the option of private school necessary for an “appropriate” standard of living? Do you have to be able to afford to live where public schools are “good”, whatever that means to you? Do you need to pay for health insurance for your children or does it make more sense to be heavily subsidized by the state, as many Oregonians are?

If you choose to move away from your family of origin, especially away from a rural area, for your career, you will likely have a higher income but no family support, so you will have to hire more support such as backup childcare.

I guess I read this post and think, “This applies to the 5-10% of women with the drive and intelligence to earn incomes in the top 5-10% of the population. It’s about staying upper middle class, not working class or even middle class. And if my Facebook sample of women who went to good colleges/grad schools is at all accurate, 1/3-1/2 won’t have any kids anyway.”

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By: Increasing Income https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-23511 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 00:58:46 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-23511 […] From Laura Vanderkam: The real problem with women and money […]

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By: TG https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-23510 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 00:39:15 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-23510 In reply to Laura.

I suspect that children need both parental (or other caring, involved adult) time and money to achieve at high levels. Where do you see performance as a function of parental time/income drop off? Are there Davidson scholars who are not in the top 20% of parental income? If not, why not? If so,why?

With my teacher/electrician couple, who would provide this parental time, given that good employment for both of them in the same place is unavailable. Given that she can’t move and finish her pension, which is dependent on 30 years of state employment to be optimal, how would they “step in”? Their best ROI is staying in this state for her pension.

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By: Laura https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-23509 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 00:18:11 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-23509 In reply to TG.

@TG – so the median annual wage of women who work ft is $35,984. For men it’s $45,500. If you have these two married to each other, their combined income is $81,484. That puts you just slightly below the lower limit for the top 20% of households in America, which is $88,030.

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By: TG https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-23508 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 21:54:05 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-23508 In reply to Cara Marcano.

Maybe Laura could do a post on how mothers of Davidson Scholars balance full-time careers and supporting their children’s talents, especially for families with incomes that are not in the top 20% or schools that are not in the top 20%.

My friend the electrician found a job 90 miles away, so he’s gone 5 days/week. At some point, leaning in to your career doesn’t work when both parents do it, unless there are extenuating factors like money for tutors/private school or grandparent help.

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By: Cara Marcano https://lauravanderkam.com/2013/03/real-problem-women-money/#comment-23507 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:03:09 +0000 http://localhost:8888/?p=3247#comment-23507 I think also you might be getting at the issue of meaningfulness versus financialness… and that hey are not mutually exclusive but on a continuum… that is to teach women to only care about romanticized jobs or marriages but not $ is disempowering.. just like it is wrong for men to only be in everything for $.. the most fulfulling jobs seem to be the ones that let you self actualize at something you are genuinely passionate about, cause no harm, etc and with some sense of financial reward… if it is only good for others but not financially beneficial it might not be the best “job”–

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